Cabrinha Crossbow : a look at what the critics have to say

September 21, 2005

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by Carlo

Over the last few weeks I have been speaking to quite a few people about the new Cabrinha Crossbow kites to find out what the general concensus is out there.

Overall the feedback has been very positive - most people are benefiting in terms of safety, increased range and better gust handling. Probably the first thing people tell me is that these kites handle the gusts incredibly well, so that is something that comes as a bit of a surprise since it wasn't marketed. Then there's also the fact that the kites have a noticeable gain in wind range, sudden depower and increased jumping performance.

But there are also a few things people don't like about these kites. I am going to cover the 3 most common issues about the Crossbows, and offer some advice on how to get around these issues.

1) The kites flip inside out
This is definitely a problem that I have experienced on more than one occasion.
Yesterday afternoon I managed to dump my kite about 200m offshore. The kite was straight downwind of me, lying on it's back with the leading edge facing me. I didn't pay much attention and allowed some of my lines to go slack. The wind was pretty strong, and since some of my lines were slack none of the wingtips had any wind so the kite was just sitting straight downwind of me, occasionally hovering about half a meter from the water. At this stage I knew exactly what was going to happen next, as I have found myself in this situation with both a Crossbow and a Nova before.

The first thing I did was to pull one of the side lines and swim to the side in order to move the kite to the side of the window where the wingtips can catch some wind. As I did this the kite suddenly relaunched and inverted. The kite was now flying completely inverted but there wasn't any power.

I managed to get myself out of the situation without crossed lines, long swims or rescues. Here's how.
When the kite is straight downwind of you and inverts in the air your first priority is to dump the kite. Dump the kite hard into the water by pulling on one of the side lines. This will revert most of the kite, but you will probably find that the wingtip that has the most line tension is still partially inverted. By swimming towards the kite you decrease line pressure and this will allow whatever part of the kite that is still inverted to revert back. Once the kite is back to normal shape you will find the kite is leading edge down, facing you.

To get out of this situation simply pull on one of the side lines while slowly swimming to the side. This will slowly bring one of the tips around and allow the kite to catch wind which will put it back into the classic kite down position. Once in this position, maintain line tension and simply pull on one of the side lines and the kite will relaunch. The whole ordeal took less than a minute, so it really isn't that bad at all.

I must point out that I have managed to invert my 5 line kites in exactly the same way on previous occasions too, but the difference is that a 5 line wraps around your kite which causes a different set of complications.

So to recap. If your kite is inverted you must revert your kite by either dumping it or swimming towards it if it's in the water. Once you do this and the nose of your kite is facing you, you have to bring the kite into normal relaunch position. Once you've done this, simply relaunch and sail away.

2) Crossbows are difficult to self launch
A lot of people have complained about this. And I must admit, they are not as easy to self launch as traditional kites are. But self launching is entirely possible.

All you have to do is to fold a bigger part of the wingtip over and put a lot more sand on the kite in order to prevent the kite from launching prematurely. Once you've done this double check your lines and pulleys to make sure the lines aren't stuck underneath the wingtip and that none of the lines are snagging.

You are now ready to self launch.

3) The bar pressure is too heavy
A lot of Cabrinha riders find this a big problem, as earlier Cabrinha kites have long been known as the kites with the lightest bar pressure.
The Crossbow kites doesn't have any more bar pressure than a lot of other kites that I have flown including the Best Yarga, Naish Torch, Naish Boxer and Slingshot Fuels.

Most people complaining about bar pressure are people coming from previous Cabrinhas rather than people coming from other brands. Give your arms some time to adjust to the bar pressure as the first few days might be a bit tough, but the bar pressure is certainly not as big a problem as a lot of people are making it out to be.


Conclusion
Bow style kites are still very new. It is inevitable that any new product will have a few glitches, and the first few weeks on these kites have proved that there are minor problems. But to put things into perspective : the 5 line kites had their own set of problems, and there was a whole lot of skeptics who criticized the 5 line kites, but today it is the most used technology.

In the few weeks that I have spent on Bow style kites it has become very clear that the bridle system offers a lot of advantages over the 5 line and previous 4 line systems that we are used to. The bridle system handles gusts better than traditional kites, it turns the kite a lot tighter, the safety system is great and the relaunch system is second to none.

It is inevitable that kiteboarding will be moving in this direction. There are a lot of critics out there because opposition brands don't have similar products yet. Just like with the 5th line systems, once more brands take on the bow concept the general attitude towards bow kites will improve.


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1 wavemaniak 9/25/2005 8:32:06 AM

By the way it was a 12m Nova.

2 wavemaniak 9/25/2005 8:32:06 AM

I haven't try the crossbow, or any other bow kite.
Nevertheless last week the local Takoon dealer was kiting in Guincho, that is a hardcore Portuguese wave spot, as most of the other riders on 12 m regular kites in +- 16-18 knts very on shore and gusty wind, where having fun in the waves and able to pass the shore brake, the rider on the Nova, which is deffenelly no begginer, could not pass the shore brake, and he tryed the all evening.
By looking at it, I was not very impressed, the kite did not seemed able to produce a constant pull to pass the heavy shore break.
Not sure if it was tuned rigth, and additionally I have heard that the crossbow and the nova are very different.
I think the best option is to let the concept mature a litle more, because from what I saw with the Nova I am no convinced the kite is up to what they claim.

3 Hacko 9/25/2005 8:32:06 AM

thanks Carlo for the nice reviews and words.
I've been on 16m Crossbow since 20 days. I'm novice in kitesurfing (2 years) and in my point of view the kite is perfect. Of course in very light winds the bar is enough heavy but most of the case it depends from the tunning of the kite. Being 105 kg (elephant-kiter ;) ) I have to admit that the pulling of the kite is less than my old wipika amp 18.5m, but Crossbow is extremely more stable in light/strong winds. Also it is perfect for speed-kiting. With 16m Crossbow feel comfortable in 4.5 - 15 m/s and more winds. I will check for low-end again with new knots.
Crossbow is ideal for absolute beginners. Several people here like it and for 3 days were far away in the water and air. Their opinion is that it is immense more secure and no-trouble kite in comparison with any other.
Happy winds to all.

4 steve bart 9/25/2005 8:32:06 AM

tried english's 12 briefly at sunrise beach in 12 to 18 knots onshore. going from the ultra light handling naish raven to the crossbow, felt really odd at first. kind of a numb feeling. you don't feel the expected surge and pull when the kite turns. also one does feel pulled slightly forward in an effort to keep the bar sheeted in. could not quite get my head around the jumping in the short time I flew it, notably the loss of lift when taking one hand off the bar, safe to say though, kite loops can be made all 'too easy' if you don't deliberately pull the bar slowly and hold near the centre line.

what was really cool though, even in almost direct onshore one could change direction 180deg and bottom turn back down the wave with absolute ease, and keep riding in this direction, the kite pulling steadily. to me this is where this design of kite has the biggest advantage. easy wave riding.

this is an exciting step forwards, and for sure all the major manufaturers are going to have SLE (supported leading edge) kites within a few months..and they are just going to get better.

would take more time than I had with the crossbow to aclimatise for sure, but in the meantime, was happy to get my hands back on that sweet sweet raven.

5 English 9/25/2005 8:32:06 AM

One thing is for sure no matter what the opinion is every body seems to have nothing else to do than discuss the pros and cons of this new concept.
I have been flying the crossbows since they first arrived and I have kited in most conditions from strong north westers at long beach Light north westers at table view and the last two weeks in various south and south easters. I have a 12 and a 9 and apart from a couple of small things, and one rescue thanks to Peter P & Ralf B which I blame myself for not pumping the leading edge hard enough I am loveing the Kites.
I have been flying the Black tips and nitros for the past few years.
Keep in mind I am no pro and I a have no wish to be catapulted Unhooked across the sky with my kite fully powerd .well may be I have but My knees would pobably give out.
So this is my take on it. The kite performs unbelivably in gusty conditions because of the wind range I have kited in winds gusting from 20knts to 38knts and felt quite comfortable. There is no other kite with this range.
It takes a bit of time to get use to but the kite jumps as well as any other kite I have flown but gives you the option to go huge when the wind realy picks up again because of the range of the kite.
The kite has never had me skipping down wind and you have a feeling of always being in control even in very strong gusty conditions.
For the kind of kite loop tricks most of us would like to do it is unreal giveing you the option on how hard you want to go. you can call them pussy loops but at least it is some thing to do when there are no waves.
In summer when the waves back off but the wind is howling at least you can still feel comfortable enough to try some thing new instead of just blasting up and down.
And although I still have a way to go with my front side wave riding these kites turn so tight it has made my life much easyer I can now consentrate on my board skills.
So to summarize if you dont like them its fine ride what you enjoy stick to what you Know.
If you want to be able to have rang own one or two kites feel safe & in control even when the wind picks up and you are half way to Dolphin beach go out in strong on shore conditions with no risk of being lofted and take your kiteing to another level with out as much risk of injury then this is the kite. If you are an already hard core unhooked loop master and you love hanging on to an over powerd kite Cause you are big and tough and strong. And you think that a kite that can do every thing with less consequence is a beginers gay kite stick to what you know.
In mounting bike terms if you you race cross country use a hard tail,if you want to do down hill use a down hill bike if you want to do a bit of both at not quite the pro level get a free ride bike.
The cross bow is a free ride kite and if it is only going to get better what a plessure.

6 James 9/25/2005 8:32:06 AM

http://www.skypilotkiteboarding.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Forums&file=viewtopic&topic=1485&forum=7

7 kiteboy 9/25/2005 8:32:06 AM

the kite is not pulling as much a a normal kite will do with kiteloops etc.

it is a perfect cruise kite.!!!

8 Athol 9/25/2005 8:32:06 AM

Out of interest sake, Carlo, which do you think is a better kite between the Nova and Crossbow?

9 Peterp 9/25/2005 8:32:06 AM

There are 2 areas which should be mentioned as well. The steering is quick but quite rubbery in feel, I tried Nova and Crossbow and found both very elastic in their steering feel, not crisp and direct as most other normal kites. One could undoubtedly get used to this. Second, reason why kites are not being used in freestyle comps yet (all hear say) is that the riders have been complaining it loops too easily around it's own axxis making all the handlepass manouvers into kiteloops less radical. For us mere mortals it opens up kitelooping, for the pro's the horizontal pull factor is too low...I'm sure 99% of us could live with that problem.

10 Hacko 9/25/2005 8:32:06 AM

11 Jackpot 9/25/2005 8:32:06 AM

I flew the Crossbow last sunday and I must say that I was not to impressed.

The Constant bar pressure toward you is a bit of a pain and also makes all grabs etc a lot harder as you need to always have that bar pulled to full power else the crossbow depowers and falls out the sky :(

Also the jumping capability seems at first to be a lot more difficult to get right and I am not convinced that it has the same lift as traditional kites?

Anyway, thats my 2 cents worth ...

12 Carlo 9/25/2005 8:32:06 AM

Yes, In light winds if you do a pussy loop it barely pulls you.

But believe me if you pull in strong winds on the way up and do a full kite loop it pulls like hell.

It all depends - pussy loops you pull on the way down, kite loops you pull on the way up and the loop is a lot wider meaning it spends a bit of time in the power zone. Also the stronger the wind the more the pull. It's all relative in my opinion.

13 justin 9/27/2005 12:25:14 AM

we where surpose to keep quiet about the SLE - !anyway have been having a blast on the crossbow with THE SHEET IN AND SHEET OUT! here in garden roooott with MIFF WINDY - I like it a lot, but when i go back to my naish I trully LOOOOVVEEEE the sweet TURNING, feel a bit more dialed - def early days but very exciting lets see what happens nice comments lads. I could not crack the jumping in 3o minutes. def takes a while to figgure out this lady, well we are on 16's .- Robs with robbie now , lets get him to push for SLE prototype and HAVE A GO.....

14 Eduardo 9/27/2005 6:10:07 AM

Carlo, excelent article. However could you pls. elaborate, or include some drawings/graphics/pics to illustrate how to revert and inverted Xbow? This would facilitate the understanding of the technique.
Thanks,
Eduardo (rider from Brazil)

15 Don 11/13/2005 8:50:53 PM

I have a 9M Crossbow. At first I thought that it was definitely over rated. Bar pressure was too much, low end was lousy, and self launching was very difficult. After 6 sessions, I've changed my tune. This kite rocks !!! I added some knots on the bridal end, moved the stopper ball about 8 inches, and found that one inside line needed shortening. These changes and just getting used to it has made a world of difference. I can get incredible air with 18 knots of wind, and taking this kite to over 30 knots has been no problem except the heights get scary. Hang time is awesome, landings are soft. Bar pressure no longer seems excessive and self launching is easier than regular kite. Place kite on beach, leading edge down with enough sand to keep it from blowing away. Run the lines on downwind side and attach. Pick up bar and walk to the side. Tighten lines and kite will turn and launch. It is that easy.

16 Jason Marty 11/27/2005 3:59:38 PM

Self launching is really easy if you do the following.
• Kite facing towards you as per rigging up.
• Turn the kite a little downwind so that the lea wingtip fills with a little bit of wind - just a little else you risk the kite filling completely.
• go to the bar and put connect your chicken loop to your harness
• pull the back line of the lea wingtip towards you and the kite should fill entirely with wind
• lauch the kite as you would on the water
This works really well - I've done it a number of times in quite strong winds and its pretty safe as you can depower immediately on launching.

17 Paul cape town 2/1/2006 3:56:15 AM

bow kites have a real place now.just bought my first one.when trying the crossbow for the first time found the jumping big with good hang time.wave riding 100% easier.up wind also good.bar pressure i think a bit heavier but you get use to it after the third session.
settled on the slingshot turbo diesel due to nice bar setup.bows are really good in gusts.down side the only thing i see is maybe the odd invert.i have seen a couple hectic inverts on crossbows which did not have happy endings.if you fly them overpowered and not rock hard they can invert.

they all need a stopper system so you cant depower too much.

18 Paul cape town 2/1/2006 3:56:25 AM

bow kites have a real place now.just bought my first one.when trying the crossbow for the first time found the jumping big with good hang time.wave riding 100% easier.up wind also good.bar pressure i think a bit heavier but you get use to it after the third session.
settled on the slingshot turbo diesel due to nice bar setup.bows are really good in gusts.down side the only thing i see is maybe the odd invert.i have seen a couple hectic inverts on crossbows which did not have happy endings.if you fly them overpowered and not rock hard they can invert.

they all need a stopper system so you cant depower too much.

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